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Posted on 04-25-06 2:14 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Nepe ji,

Democratic forum kharej garne prastab rakhnus aba. Andolan pani sidhiyo.. SPA le pani koi napayera corruption kanda ma investigate bhairaheko, afnai party ma democratic policy chalna nadine manche lai PM banayo...

Ke lok tanta, ke raj tantra... sabai uhi ho... naya din ko kiran le naya suruwat leula bhanyo ghumi pheri tyenhi chakbui ma phascha...

Yo sati le sarapya des ko kahile unnati hundaina....

Yo rajniti ko chakra biu bata niskina udar man bhayeko desh lai kehi garu bhane neta chahinch, Nepal ma tyasta neta durlav nai paicha, paye pani bichara haru le kahile maunka paundainan...

khoi malai tha changa bata khasya jasto bhairaheko cha.... aru ke bhanu...
 
Posted on 04-26-06 11:36 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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meant to say, "braggart" and "legislative body"....

Ashu, Parmendra and alike are deemed "dangerous" to the cause of "democracy" for they seem to analyze, question, provoke and debate issues rather than just toe the line of honchos like Nepe.
 
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This MOTHEREFFER WANTS TO FORM ANOTHER PARTY ALONG WITH HIS 150 HERD OF SHEEP ? he he I mean if he is like this now ....he he he Just imagine what he is going to be like WHEN HE ACTUALLY GETS A FUKIN KURSIIII.

Its people like him WHO IGNORED THE PEOPLE's voice that has led Nepal to its current situation. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER MORON LIKE NEPE COMIN TO TELL US WHAT TO DO. WE ARE NOT DEAF DUMB OR BLIND. WE KNOW WHATS GOIN ON NEPE !!!!! SO SHUT THE FUK UP !!

DO NOT COME AROUND HERE TALKIN ABOUT NEPALI DIASPORA ...he he I AM PART OF THAT DIASPORA AND YOU AND YOUR FUKIN CRONIES DO NOT REPRESENT THE NEPALI PEOPLE"S VOICE. AND DO NOT TRY AND SAY THIS IS WHAT NEPALI PEOPLE WANT CAUSE IT IS NOT WHAT I AS A NEPALI WANT.
 
Posted on 04-26-06 12:42 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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To whom it might answer their questions.

● "Nepal Democracy Forum" is , organization-wise, a closed CLUB of like minded people.

● There is no bureaucracy except three moderators who do not have any power except listening to complaints when they arise and implement the decision of the majority.

● The incident of PM Bhagat's two times expulsion is true. The matter was related to posting etiquette although Bhagat is seen to have disagreeing with it.

● There has been no such case since then except one "self-imposed" expulsion. It was an expulsion in purpose, but with full co-operation from the expulsee. That's why I said "self-imposed" expulsion. The member was reinstated later.

● Admission to the club is by invitation, recommendation and support from the existing members. Although tacit, opposition to Feb 1 coup has been accepted as the only qualification for admission.

● Among interesting public figures from Nepal that have joined the club recently are Gagan Thapa, Prateek Pradhan and Manjushree Thapa. Among the old members from Nepal are Kanak Dixit and Madhu Ghimire.

● For summary of posting activity of the group:
http://groups.google.com/group/nepaldemocracy/about?hl=en
 
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though I initially criticized Nepe for the forum, I now think whether these people who are complaining here - must were either supporter of royal regime or opponent of seven party alliance until yesterday- makes me revise my position.

I mean any organization without these royalist bhoot are great. As for Bhagat, he is one of the five most revolutionaries re, he is smartest guy re, reading his bull was so funny. and I am not surprised that some organizations say no his nonsenses.
 
Posted on 04-26-06 1:01 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Dear All,


Saw this movie ''Rang de Basanti". It may sound funny but sincerely,
after childhood days, for the first time I really got inspired by a
movie. I really started to think about Nepal and the political crisis
continuing. Lack of interest in country's system and adequate patriotism
prevails in Nepal too, I felt that. That doesn't imply that the solution
is to kill someone as shown in the movie. I tried to see within myself,
what is my contribution? Found its ok, I am studying and becoming a
manpower for the nation. But went through the news from Nepal and this
time I could not satisfy myself. Going regular is not enough; felt that.
It's high time for each of us to try to do something more than the
regular! On the process, what can I do at most now, I found I can share
my understanding of the crisis to my friends and then forward it to
maximum Nepalese as far as

possible. There might be various view points on that between us. This is
one amongst them.



PLZ READ IT ONCE. GIVE A SECOND THOUGHT ON THAT. AND IF YOU DONT AGREE,
IT'S YOUR RIGHT NOT TO . BUT I BELEIVE MANY OF YOU WHO'LL READ THIS MAIL
WILL CERTAINLY GET CLEAR ABOUT MANY THINGS. And in due course, I'd be
grateful to get your opinions as well. This way we can interact and start
to think about the country more seriously. UNTIL AND UNLESS WE START A
STEP, NO THING BIG WOULD BE ACHIEVABLE. Believing on this, I am sharing
my opinion.



"As we see the situation in Nepal, anyone would think that the problem
lies between the King, seven Political parties, and Maoists. And why?
What each of them wants? We'd find answers for that also. One may say
political parties want full-fledged democracy. Similarly Maoists want the
communism, and King wants to reestablish Panchayat or something like that
in other form. It may sound weird to you at first, but I see this crisis
in completely other way. This is not any kind of conflict between
Nepalese themselves. This is something between India and Nepal. It's a
grand and interesting game. At the same time, highly challenging for both
the states.



Every one of us knows the Indian approach of trying to dominate others,
especially the neighboring countries. Defense and foreign affairs related
decisions of Bhutan are directly handled by India. Nothing new about it,
right? Which country in the SAARC except Bhutan is happy with India?
Forget SAARC, what about other neighbors? China? Burma? Mentioning these
issues just to rethink on India's foreign policies! Now let us go to
what's there between India and Nepal? Care to see it thru big brother's
side. India 's average economic growth rate has reached around 7.5% which
is one of the best in world today. India is second largest market in the
world in terms of population. Foreigners are seeing China and India as
the new markets of this age and investing here rapidly. Bottom line is-
India is developing. But how long people will invest in India if basic
infrastructure is not there? How much investments would be there in
Agricultural industry if outsiders don't see basic irrigation facilities
in the field? In other way, when other area is developing, what about
large Indian farmer population? When they'll prosper if irrigation is not
there? And most importantly, energy is vital for all development-
industries, technology and everything. India is not capable of producing
the required amount. India has successfully taken control over Bhutan's
energy resources and already started to have the benefit. Bhutan is also
getting something out of it but in cost of sovereignty.

Now comes Nepal's part. Nepal is second richest in water resource having
potential of large amount of energy. Enough energy to cater India's
energy need for industrialization and irrigation and clean drinking water
for eastern India (perhaps more than that). For that, India can have
straight business deals with Nepal. Take it if u want, but please pay.
But no! India wants all those in the way they got from Bhutan. They want
to have total control in any hydro projects that'll be build in Nepal.
They want to give us something out of it- lot less value than what we
deserve. Since history India has been trying for this and as it was
obvious for them to get refusal. In the mean time, foreigners wanted to
invest in Hydro projects in Nepal. But India always fumed and fretted for
any manipulation in rivers will lead to flood in India. So, all the big
projects were cancelled. India didn't stop. They wanted to get the
resources according to their desire. When Nepal refused, they came into
games with long vision. What I interpret the game could possibly be as
such- Change the non cooperative government of Nepal. Keep people in
power that will be ready to sell the resources of the country fro some
money. And if required, will be ready to sell the whole country. India
knew that until and unless royal family is in power, it's not possible.
This is because for the royals, Nepal is the only place in the world
where they will get highest degree of respects and they'd never sell the
country. For that, India played the key role to instill democracy in 2046
and implant corrupted people in the government. According to the plan,
some leaders of ours sold out rivers and lands during the 15 years. That
we all know.



Now India could not depend only on those dogs. For that, how to make
Nepal completely helpless in shortest period? So that Nepal will come
down on the ground with knees. There won't be any other option remaining
for Nepal and finally turn towards India and beg them to utilize our own
resources, and give some riots two feed Nepalese twice a day. Attack on
the source of economy was the simplest route towards Nepal's bring down.
And then something happened out of blues. Maoists were born in western
Nepal which is the hub of ayurvedic medicine and one of Nepal's major
exports. The area is still under Maoists control and no one knows how
much of yarshagumba is smuggled from there every year. Country's revenue
is going in vain. And let us recall, it was Girija's tenure and whole
Nepal knows how Maoists flourished in no time. Besides that, major
objective of giving birth to Maoists was to attack the spinal of Nepal's
economy- tourism. And things happened accordingly. Nepal broke and got
trapped into the crisis we r seeing today.



Now please don't doubt on who gave birth to Maoists. India was the first
to call Maoists as terrorists when Nepal government was still calling it
as insurgents. After that, US hit listed Maoists of Nepal in top ten
among the world terrorists. Nepal government never called them terrorists
those days. And in many cases, we have seen Maoists leader making rounds
to Delhi in the same fashion as Girija and his daughter. The recent
meeting between the parties and Maoists leaders occurred in Delhi. How
could India arrange the facility when Maoists are terrorists? Do they
want to send a message that Lashkar-e-taiba should be entertained by
governments of various nations? And surprisingly, nowadays Indian media
do not right the word "terrorists" for Nepalese Maoists. The respected
word given by them these days is " Nepal rebel". This is all happening
because of the slavish mentality India possesses due to 200 years of
British rule. Anyways, now let us come to the major issue. After knowing
all these, I m not in a condition to agree that the dispute in Nepal is
for democracy. What I believe is it is for nationality. It is for saving
the nation. It is for raising the nation with what we have. It is for
replying back to all

those who try to play with us. Now, it's up to your intellect to identify
who is working for what. What King is doing, parties are doing, and
Maoists are doing. It'll be a very appreciable opinion if you say what
those pancheys are doing again here? We should not forget that democracy
is nature's law. When you are born, you come along with your freedom. No
force can stop u for that. Let's see the cause and what's happening
around. Democracy within the boundary is so important? Or democracy in a
country will be there when a country will b there? Let all Nepalese get
together and stop the external force for some time when Nepal will try to
lift up in a position from where no force would be able to bring it down.
Democracy is always there. When Nepalese can change the government in
2046, same Nepalese can change the government again in 2066. And if
required, forever free Nepalese could change the system around the world.
We don't have to doubt in our capability. But the current need is not
"restore democracy" as India is saying. Current need for each and every
Nepali is to "save and raise the nation". When US envoy to India made one
statement related to India's internal politics last week, whole India
shouted back to the ambassador. This is something good we need to learn
from Indians. When India, and other far away nations are repeatedly
trying to interfere our internal matter, our corrupted media (do I have
to name the media which have bosses of Non Nepalese origins? Or u find it
yourself) is not tired of singing their songs everyday. These Medias are
responsible for creating a pessimistic environment in the nation. People
are not protesting those external interferences which are vital in
present. Restoring democracy is not the issue as far as I understand.
What if democracy is restored tomorrow immediately? Same old faces who
tried to help the neighbor more than own country itself will be back to
power. And the process of losing the nation's independency which has been
stopped temporarily through king's move will get momentum again. But if
Nepal and Nepalese succeeds to pause that external force for some more
time, its strength will be minimized. Many things can happen within few
years. Zest is- country first! Now, If you don't agree on this, I m open
to have your opinion. If you feel that there is some logic in what I have
said, please forward it to as many Nepalese as possible. There is nothing
good happening to you within 24 hours or 3 days or 1 week or so forth.
But only God knows, long term benefits could be there.



Thank you



Nepali Citizen




regards'
honest citizen
KTM,Nepal
 
Posted on 04-26-06 1:25 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I don't see what's wrong with Nepe being part of a closed forum.

In a democratic society, people are free to form their own groups.

If you are against formation of such groups then you are being undemocratic.

;)
 
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Yeah fuggin right. If its an exclusive club then DO NOT GO AROUND TELLING OTHER PEOPLE THIS IS WHAT NEPALI PEOPLE WANT. HE FUKIN TALK ABOUT HIS EXCLUSIVE CLUB AS IF IT IS WHAT ALL THE NEPALI PEOPLE WANT. PEOPLE IN NEPAL DID NOT DIE FOR THESE FUKIN EXCLUSIVE CLUB MEMBERS. NEPE AND HIS FUKIN CRONIES DO NOT REPRESENT AT MY SENTIMENT.

SO IN OTHER WORDS THE WHOLE REPUBLIC MOVEMENT IS NOT A DEMOCRATIC MOVEMENT IF IT IS NOT GOING TO INCLUDE NEPALI PEOPLE FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE. YEAH IF THEY WANT THEY CAN OPEN A CLUB LIKE LIONS CLUB OR ROTARY CLUB. BUT FOR THEM TO BE GOIN AROUND BRANDISHING THEMSELVES AND NEPALI PEOPLE"S VOICE IS WRONG.
 
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Bathroomcoffee,

It must be very hard for you to see democracy again taking roots in Nepal, and the king about to be vanished, isn't it? Dude, take it easy.

I am sure any forum that doesn't have an insane, foul mouthed creature like you is going to be a good forum to be in:-)

Just joking. I am not trying to get in anywhere.
 
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YEAH I MAY BE FOUL MOUTHED CREATURE BUT STILL A NEPALI CREATURE. AND THESE FUKERS LIKE NEPE IS TRYING TO HIJACK THE WHOLE SITUATION NEPAL AS IF THEY REPRESENT ALL NEPALI PEOPLE"S VOICE. If they cannot even tolerate a tool like me how the fuk are they going to deal with Mao's carrying guns in their hand. NEPE you can fukin run but you cannot hide.

PIRE,
LIKE AN IGNORANT BAFOON YOU ARE TALKING TO ME AS IF I SUPPORT THE KING. I DO NOT SUPPORT ANYONE, not he fukin coorupt Politicians, douche Bag King, or the Terroist Maos. OR THE EXCLUSIVE CLUB LIKE THE REPUBLICAN MOVEMENT.
 
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I don't think people here have any problem with Nepe and his chumchas opening a discussion forum to talk about democracy in Nepal. But yes we do have problem or an urge to remind Nepe what democracy actually stands for when he and his chumchas decide to disban someone from the group just because they could not agree with his opinion. Had he named his forum "Nepe's Ideas and discussion group" or something else without democracy on it and had he not kept on chanting to us about how democratic he is, we would not be here arguing on this topic. He is as democratic as a Tiger is a herbivore. Many people here who are new may not know but the ones who have been visiting sajha for a longtime, even when it was called GBNC that Nepe''s ideologies are inclined more towards to communism than democracy. You can actually trace that in his postings.
 
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pasu,

is there any particular reason why you chose this nickname pasu? Is it because you confess you don't have brain to function as a qualified human being?

Just curious.
 
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Nepe and Pire (Pire from your responses, it sounds like you may be a part of this club as well?),

If you would be so kind as to answer these questions based on this comment in your earlier post:
"Admission to the club is by invitation, recommendation and support from the existing members. Although tacit, opposition to Feb 1 coup has been accepted as the only qualification for admission"

* What are the criterion that you and the rest of the members look for vis-a-via sending out invitations? (Does one need to be a published writer (Manjushree), renowned student leader (Gagan), prolific blogger (Paramendra) or can a mere Nepali concerned about the future of a Democratic Nepal be extended an invitation?

* Recommendation: Again, same as above? what are the criterion for being recommended? Obvious and public opposition to Feb 1 (you said "tacit"- well how "tacit"?- does it suffice were I to say that I hate the actions of the monarchy within the confines of my home but not in public? how does one go about proving tacit opposition to the actions of Feb 1?)

* If individuals outside the club have no information of the current membership then how are interested individuals who may also be "like minded" to you and and rest of the club supposed to go about securing this most coveted recommendation?

I'm not faulting you for having a closed forum but when you use terms like "like minded" clearly there are others that fit the description that may be as effective (dare I say, pehaps more effective?) than current members and unless you divulge the manner in which these mere mortals may be a part of this exalted circle..you border dangerously on the cusp of "club of the privileged few"..not exactly a democratic ideal now is it?

I look forward to your response.
 
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I didn't know that there had to be a particular reason to pick nicknames. Really!!
Anyway Pire, I am sure there are pasus that have more brains than most of the people who visit this site. May be you included.
 
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Prajatantra ji,

"Democratic forum" kharej knia garnu paryo? Khali democracy sabda matra hataye ni kam se kaam, their action justifies the name.

My humble "opinion" has always been this: "DEMOCRACY" is the MOST abused word in the context of Nepal. Katti bhannu :)

Enough said! (for now)

IndisGuise:)
 
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Abuse of the word 'democracy' is not unique to Nepal.

That said, I agree, at least when I am in a philosophical mood, "Nepal Democracy Forum" is a self-aggrandizing name.

One justification could be that the 150 members of the forum have 150 different model of democracy for Nepal. We already have a 'to do' list with 150 priority tasks for new government of Nepal.

One hot thread that is running has this title "Crown should be inactivated until CA gives the verdict"

Here is the original posting of that thread.



From: ...
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:44:53 -0000
Subject: Re: Crown should be inactivated until CA gives the verdict
To: "nepal democracy"

I [ ] missed the list. Somewhere I saw a black list of people. If
Gyanendra Shah is excluded from the list, then I have a strong
objection to that.

It is both morally and legally (yes, Natural Law !) wrong to exclude
one person from the group of people who together committed the same
wrongdoing.

If somebody has argument against it, I would like to hear.

I presume "practicality" might be one such argument.

I say, what practicality ? Is it against the mandate of Jana-andolan ?
Will it not be supported by the people ? Will it make the King do
another coup ?

As far as my view is concerned, [the] bottom line about the mandate of
Jana-andolan is that Jana-andolan said NO to monarchy but gave one
chance of CA for it to survive if it can.

So, we (this forum and the politicians) should treat the crown as
inactivated for now until and if CA re-instated it.

No "His Majesty" please. The new government should call itself "Nepal
Government".

I would personally make an appeal to Prof. .......jyu (Thank you
for your comments in BBC yesterday) and .........jyu to give legal
counseling regarding this matter ("Nepal Government") to us and to our
counterpart in Nepal.
......


_______
 
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This thread is so out of context now.

When I started this thread I was upset with the news that Girija is going to be PM. It was sad because first step SPA took was wrong step.

So in frustration I proposed Nepe Ji of disbanding Democratic Forum, because we fought for democracy tara winner came out to be Girija.

Anyway just got this news from Umesh Ji of merosansar.

- http://www.mysansar.com/?p=337

- Umesh Ji, of mero sansar have written that there is rumor in KTM that Girija is thinking of not taking PM post due to health reason.

This would be a positive news for democratic front, this move will so leaders are serious about democracy this time.

I mean can you imagine Girija giving away PM post.

But anyway let us not speculate much, wait and see what happens in Khulamanch tomorrow.
 
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Nepe ji,

I am still awaiting your response to the questions I raised :-)
 
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Nepaali-jee,

'Opposition to Feb 1' got evolved as a way to exclude the class of people the club members were sure to be uncomfortable to be with.

Invitation/recommendation was introduced to avoid non-existing people from entering. The basic criterion is that at least one existing member should know the new entrant.

So, anybody who had been against Feb 1 or can make such statement when introduced (as I said, just to make the members comfortable) should not have any difficulty to enter.

For those who do not know any member of the club, I would suggest to write to the group (http://groups.google.com/group/nepaldemocracy/about?hl=en ) introducing yourself with sufficient information about yourself for the group to be convinced that you are a real person and you belong to anti-Feb 1 class.

The moderators will introduce you to the group and when at least one member support and no member oppose it, it is regarded as acceptance. The moderators will inform you and welcome you to the group. It might take from a few days to a week to finish these formalities.

I hope I answered your questions. By the way, I am a moderator of the group. I am just an ordinary member with a modest activity in the group.

If anybody is interested, I can also introduce you to the group. Shoot me an email at deepakkhadka@gmail.com .


Some important information about the group to those who are interested to join.

● Not all the big shots I took the name are active in the group, if that's what attracts you to the group.

● Most of the postings are congratulatory and thank you notes.

● Most of the active members are not comfortable with criticisms. So nobody criticizes nobody.

If you are still interested, come along.
 
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oops..

I was trying to say- I am NOT a moderator.

Nepe
 



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