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Crazy boi,
Learn to respect others' opinions and decency. I totally agree with Yakthung laje. He has spoken the truth. Dude, he is not trying to justify violence or any thing, but sooner or later Nepal was gonna face some kind of violent revolution. I am shocked to hear that u r supporting Panchayat System? That was the worst system ever in Nepal. There were a lot of killings, rapes then too, but whoever spoke up against  it were killed. U didn't hear about it doesn't mean it didn't occur. It is true that some 13 K people were not killed then, but a lot of people were killed. I am sure Yakthun laje will be glad to tell u about Ratna Bantawa's killing in the eastern Nepal then just for protesting Panchayat.
 

chayme kancha ,

its not like i support them , its like now since they have reached there y dont we let them rule .y dont  we wait and see. after all all these years we have done that . and all those netas have done nothing . So y not we ll also give the m a chance  ..

the second reason is that i dont like gyanendra..

that was all i meant .  and again i say i m not a supporter of maiost ,  i hate maiost.

i understand
five months already, their activities, can you project the graph in 5 yrs.

more killing, more lootpaat.

just one example, somebody proven to have killed ramhari shrestha and in wanted list is there in their central committe member raoming around in capital. It means whom you are telling to give chance are promoting killers,

i dont mean previous leaders were good, they were corrupt and all that but you cant go on killing people if they dont agree with your opinion, taking weapons inside singadurbar, capturing other peoples land. In a country there should be a rule of law and basic human right. everybody has right to speak, (wak-swatantrata).

i cant accept the way maoists are going and nobody (even the ones who voted them) were expecting these sorts of activiteis from them. Its only and only those YCL bhedas in tudikhel who clap at prachanda's bhasan.

mark your calander, in 6 months maoist cadres themselves will revolt against their own leaders like madishe janadhikar forum . 

BTW soltee pani lahure jasto lagyo

Chyame Kanchha,
I understand ur pain about YCL. It is wrong for them to ask for chanda. Have I said YCL is doing a good job by doing that? Hera bhai, ma kunai YCL ko member or leader hoina ni. Tapaaile ta ma nai YCL kai leader ho ki jasto garera question garnu bhaechha. Na  ma YCL, na Maoist leader nai. Ma ta tapaai jastai janata maatrai hu ni. Kehi saathiharule yahaa raat pare pani YCL laai dosh dine, baadhi aae pani Maoistslaai gaali garekole achamma laagera aafno opinion express gareko maatra hun. Aru kehi hoina. Ma pani janajati bhaekole Nepal maa jaatiya utpidan chha bhanne malaai laagchha tesaile bidroha hudai chha, hunchha. Yo natural ho.

Ma pani janajati bhaekole Nepal maa jaatiya utpidan chha bhanne malaai
laagchha tesaile bidroha hudai chha, hunchha. Yo natural ho.

Ani hami jasta sojha sajha janta ko sentiment lai liyera yi laaj nabhayeka netaharu politics gariraheka chhan.
Let me give you an example, the madheshi people who claimed themselves to be most dispreviledged, had a big hope from MJF upendra yadav et al.
same thing with leaders of NC, UML, MAOISTS.

they give false promises to sojha sajha janata, get votes and damn care after they win. look at upendra, prachanda, their status within 5 months and somebody talks about switzerland in 5 yrs. What about the people who voted them.

one example that i want to put here.
prachanda while giving bhasan in kirtipur said, vote for me, i will bring back your claims from TU. soja sajha newar haru sabai milera prachanda lai vote diye
now you see, the same people are revolting agaisnt their own nominee.

daile bhai bhanihalnu bhayo,
hernos dai, yesta mula neta haru le kehi garne wala chhainan, desh lai satyanash parera chhodchhan.

mula haru sabaiko CHA* ma bomb halera padkaune parchha

till date it shows maoists are going to be the worst.

Chyame Kanchha,
I do not disagree with u on a lot of things this time. Yes, a lot of leaders are using innocent people's sentiment to fulfill their selfishness. I also heard about what Prachanda said to Kirtipur people to get the votes. I bet Girija, Madhav Nepal, Surya Bahadur Thapa et al did the same thing at one point or another. I am not trying to justify what they said. Just like u, I am dead against them all on that. However, indigenous people, dalit,and women still do suffer a great deal in Nepal. I don't think u can deny that. Empowering the oppressed people is not same as suppressing the rest of the people in Nepal. As u r from Pokhara, don't u like it now that u can listen to news in Gurung language? I know u could understand news in Nepali and English, but maybe ur grandparents can now understand the news as well. I hope u believe that is not gonna divide Pokhara into different states, is it? Wouldn't u also like it if they had Gurung staff in government offices where even the illiterate grandpas and grandmas could go and get their things done without the help of their sons, daughters etc? Ditto in Kathmandu for Newar people. Maile testo kisimko jatiya mukti ko kuro gareko. MJF jasto kuraako maile support gareko chhaina. It is true a lot of Terai people have been suffering, but MJF looks like the puppet of India to me. I can easily relate to how the staff at TIA treat u when u go back to Nepal just because of ur looks and ethnicity. How about the times when u went to government offices in Pokhara? Weren't those guys trying to get money from u to expedite your work? Did they not think u had tons of money? I felt like bombing the whole office when they tried to rip me off back then. Ur going to UK, my going to US is not gonna change the way they treat us in Nepal, brother. What say you?

I do agree,

my point is lets keep the GURUNG NEWAR aside, first let us feel that we are nepalese, we are safe secure with basic human rights, then we can talk about ethnicity, sanghiya samrachana.

you need to have a basic education (maoists cant just pick up minors who are studying, train them guns in jungle, teach maxism, and tell them that you will get degree certificate from university ).

you need to have a freedom for speech (maoists cant just go on killing people journalists who dont agree with maoism)

you should be alble to enjoy your hard earnings and your property (maoist cant just capture your land, death threaten for chanda and blah blah... )

there should be rule of law (maoist terrorists who go on killing journalists are hanging around in kathmandu, no punishment for them??)

MY BOTTOMLINE IS MAOIST ARE THE WORST CREATURES I HAVE EVER SEEN. THEY ARE SURE TO MAKE A TALIBAN OUT OF NEPAL.

so when do we talk about gurung newar if nepal is like taliban

I agree with you crazy boi but let me tell you that during the 10 year long civil war "raja bhanaudo' killed more nepalese than maoists did!!
you may be surprised but its true..
Raja le garako abduction ra murder ta sabai luki luki garyo ani...
j bhaye pani prachanda uncle lai kei bhannu chaina..kati nai bhayo ra waha ako pani..hamile pani ta ali ali support garnu parchha ni..
NO OFFENCES!!!!

Born To be ruled
  I totally disagree with you come on facts..13000 killed during insurgency was the data given..and accepted by both side.and i feel disgusted when people talk about may/was..man what was behind you don't' know..maybe there wasn't' any killings..unless and until you bring the proof n data don't just go and say..was killed...did you see usle gareko abduction..did any where its says speak on facts..facts facts..

Ani all the ethinic based supporter go n get a life...AT the end we all are Nepalese and despite our ethinic group background our home is NEPAL..And i dont' belive anything on the basis of janajati...nata gota,connection, bribe. everything has to be b MERIT based.people with skills people with Knowledge should get the priority.No matter what ethinic group they represents..n Its 21st century..everyone have to respect every one culture and society but when it comes to selection it should be Merit based nothing else
dont' bring this janajati and ethenic issues all its doing is dividing the nation we call home..ghar fute gawar lute....live in peace live in harmony..if nepal flourish we flourish if it goes down we go down..so its lame to advocate anything on the basis of religion..and ethinic background..should be fair n MERIT BASED..
eg..if tharu is bettter then baun tharu should get it ..but if baun is better then baun...compete..thats it ..n choosee the best person for the role.no matter wat should be MERIT BASED..
Dont' divide the nation its strugling its collapsing..n if we do that will not have a country we call our home..where we grew up despite our ethenic group.i dont' fall in janajatis..but i have a friends lots of friends they are janajatis..we grew together we have a bond...i would love to see them succeed..most of the people in Nepal are not against any one success, ho corruption,nata baad that's what lacks..n lets support for harmony among our peoples..lets support right person for the right role
I am not janajatis..so as our PM n Politicians..but i hate PM i hate politicians,beauracrats..more then anyone..i dont' support them coz they are damaging my home my country...if some janjati can come n help this country to develop..and do good for the nation..man i m with him..i'l carry his banner and i'll knock each  doors for a vote. i'll support him 100%.

ITS NOT ABOUT JANAJATIS ITS NOT ABOUT ANYONE ITS ABOUT US NEPAL N NEPALESE

Crazy Boi
Hajur ta ali safe thau ma basna paunu bhayo hola so tapailali ramrari thaha nahola..'maobadi sanga mileko' bhanera kati lai maryo, kidnap garyo, kati jana ko ta ahile samma body pani payena..ani teti bela media pani raja ko side ma thyo..kasaile kei thaha payena..actually, i guess you dont know wats behind..gaun ma kasto halat thyo sayad hajurlai thaha bhayena hola!ma pani complete maoist ta hoina..just trying to express what i really feel!!
Besides, what i wrote is a fact..
Ani, Being honest, whoever gets the power, starts to misuse it..I agree Prachanda uncle is not working for the nation as he should have done but then as they say "jun jogi aye pani kaanai chireka"..estai ho hamro nepal!

Crazy boi,
I agree with u that every thing  should be merit-based. But that is not the case in Nepal at all. There has always been favoritism and nepotism in Nepal be it in Panchayat, some 15 years of Pariliamentary system or now. I don't think any one disagrees that we are mainly Nepalese and should work hand in hand with each other. But the state power had not treated all the people equally for so many years. U can't deny that. As for the issues of indigenous people (janajati) and others, it is not the propaganda of Maoists alone.They might have used us for their political gain, but  Janajati people were well aware of their right way before 1996, when the maoist People's War started. As far as I know, Janajati people only want their lost rights, not the supremacy over other people.

Bron to be ruled, one thing you must must must remember is if there was no maoist there would not have been the killing. They were the reason behind killing of 15000 people.

Aba timi bhanula, maoist was in war. Please don't justify killing in the name of war. Nabhe ma pani manche mardai hidaula and say it was war. Akhir (raja raja le garyo bhanthiyo), khai ta ahihle ta raja ko sasan bhanda khattam cha ta desh. Aba raja lai dosh dina chodnu parcha.

Arko kura, We all should criticize maoist probably 1000 times more than Congress or UML. Because they are the reason behind 1000s of killing. Now they are proving even worse party than Congress and UML. So what was the point of killing so many people. How would they justify behind death of many people.

Congress le nepotism garthiyo But you see what......maoist took it to completely different level. On top of that Maoist started government of impunity which was never seen before. Killers are being awarded. You could see blantant lie everyday.

Maoist have given rise to many madehsi armed parties. Aba tyaslai k garne. Many of terrorist group are the spin off group of former maoist.

Nepalbir
"I agree with u that every thing  should be merit-based. But that is not
the case in Nepal at all. There has always been favoritism and nepotism
in Nepal"

I know it had happened..due to favoritism n nepotism but bringing this issue on the basis of ethnicity and religion would not solve all the problems..I've been to many villages of Nepal n seen many non-janajatis are dis advantaged as well.they are living in terrible condition.they have no connection or power to reach to top either..people in past n in current situation gain benefits n power on the basis of people they relate to bribe n people favoritism n connection..but having a quota systems would brings non-skilled person over skilled person could be wrong person for the wrong position.skilled and talent people will miss out that opportunity over non skilled due to the restriction of quotas..and it would create a same situation within non-janajati who are disadvantaged too.


Select the person on the basis of knowledge..skills ..right person for the right role..Merit based system is the best things that' works n been working on developed nation we should be advocating for that n say NO to favoritism n connection.create fair system that works on interest of NEPAL NEPALESE and People from both janjatis n non janajatis.In true we shouldn't' be advocating for either of them we should be advocating for the fair n pure system that works for our country n our country people Nepalese..Y even start dividing people into two different category we are one and we are nepalese bottom line,if any one feel disadvantaged that mean system is not working change the system that works , strict law for culprits..very open n fair system of selection process. govt should work for Nepalese..

shifting the problems not going to solve the problems..

Its better encourage janajatis or non janajatis to work together as one Nepalese n create a harmoney among each other..support n build the nation on unity rather then dividing it. support the fair system..

Dear no quiro,

I never have given a single vote for any party or politics in my life
Politics is a dirty game as Voltaire used to say
But it is compared as  relatively in terms of which one is better

Listen, no one likes to leave his/her comfort zone. You are right that Maoist started the Katmar.
I do not like debate because it is endless. The Karnali's people never had salt to eat all over the
year, who cares about it ? Virus influenza in the remote mountain swipes
away hundreds of children in a day, doctors are concentrated in capital who cares ? I love my small, beautiful and peaceful kingdom, but I never loved the king esp. after the period of Birendra Raja. Gyanendra Raja never spoke on TV, never even tried to share a little words of love that people were desperately seeked that period. Oh, let me reduce the words of the suffering of that time.

I think guardian is responsible why there is a fight between the children in a family. If guardian punishs severly, the son use a Khukuri toward his father to protect himself. Never be surprised, it's the ultimate truth.

It's up to you if you say me I am a Maoist supporter.  But my instinct does not allow me to hate them, though I hate most of their acivities. In such situation, it would be great if we could suggest, suggest and suggest them to get improved the situation as a true Nepali who really loves Nepal rather than to involve in the endless debate.
I mean if you really love Nepal be like a candle. It burns and finishes itself giving light to others. That's the need of our nation today if we could do.

Accept or reject it Nepal is in a better track in long term than before:
'Hudaina Bihani Mirmirema Tara Jharera Nagaye
 Bandaina Des Dui Char Saput Marera Nagaye'
- Bhupi Serchan

Pf30,

 I don't buy this word of Devkota anymore.

'Hudaina Bihani Mirmirema Tara Jharera Nagaye
 Bandaina Des Dui Char Saput Marera Nagaye'

This is merely an excuse to kill people. For me every human life is precious. And I dont support maoist because

1. They are not willing to change. So why should we support them. They kept murder of people even after coming to government. But rather than punishing the culprit they have tried in every way to protect and award them.

2. They are threatening that if they are taken away from the government they have 30, 000 army and all the guns and bullets. So they will hit back.

3. It is perfectly ok for maoist ministers to carry guns in the parliament.

4. Prachanda have lied every week..........how is he trustworthy... he promised to ramhari shreshta wife that Bibidh under whose custody Ramhari was tortured and died will be punished. Look what have happened they have awarded him. Even when Bibdh was outcasted Rambahadur badal went and meet the killer. Which also showed maoist ultimate motive was to support bibdh... and their unwillingness has so far prevented the killer.

5. Nepotism has surged to a record level.  Prachanda son, daughter, wife, jwai.....baburams and other. Soemthing that was unprecedented in Nepal.

6. Maoist have hit Hinduism again and again. And not Chirstianity, Buddhism and Musilm Why???. Prachanda seem happy to go to Buddhist ceremony, wear muslim dress, go to Chirstain ceremony but nothing in hindu festival. Even during the big hindu festival we didn' t hear a word congratulating the people. Even while taking oath for prime minister he didn't took oath of Gita.  Why this double standard act  on hinduism???  because after king (good/bad whatever)  probably it was the only thing that used to bind nepalese. 80 percent of nepalese are hindu. The treatment of newars on indrajatra, brainless appoitment of  Dahal priest (relative of Pushpa Kamal Dahal) in pashupatinath in place of PHD qualified priest and  beating of preist.  If you shake hinduism, it will divide nepal.

7. Prachanda promised to return the land of sized 1 and half year ealier. Still it has been an empty promise. And you know those people are not rich people. If you see those people are living in most awful condition . I have seen. Those people have nothing to wear lving near bagmati in this cold.  So its a bullshit if somebody says maoist have only looted from the feaudalist.

8. Maoist have introduced the culture of impunity. The rule of law is only for non maoist. If you are maoist you are virtually allowed to do anything.  This is worst thing that can happen to any country.

9. Normally when people suffer they always turn to government for help  and support. But here people are suffering form the maoist led government. And there is no way people can turn to .

My hats off to Crazy boi........You my friend I salute you for your logic and your true sense of reality. Bro I read all you posts and you impress me of how right you are predicting current and past of Nepal's situation and who is to blame. Now I did read this whole thread and it figures to me that many of you are so of the track of reality and senseless points. Some of you justify the war and death and destruction as casualities of war.......tells me you were involved in it and guilty????........coping with death is hard and I understand. Otherwise no sane people would justify death like some of you did. Villagers in remote areas faced a dilema........they suffered.....reason...most of the recruits ....mostly men were from that village.....JOIN US OR DIE and hide our weapons cache was the maoist threat.......once all men and boys (school kids) and women joined......MASS BRAINWASH against Nepal, and every welloff Nepalese in Nepal was made enemy and the reason of their poverty. the maoists provoked hatred between Nepali against Nepali. The villagers hid weapons and knowledge about the whereabouts of the maoists so Army and police did what they had to do? which many times were wrong but necessary to gain information. Maoists looted killed kidnap extort robbed Did anything to support their growing rebel force..........they took over police and army barraks , stole weapons and food and killed anyone without reason.....didnt even CARE if that person was the only son of an old blind couple. JUST KILL and RUN and HIDE..(COWARDS)................ NOW YCL........lol what a joke.........crazy boi has already covered who they are so I dont need to add any but just one.......YCL only reason maoist still remian in power. Disband YCL and PLA.....people will themself gatheraround Prachandas and the maoist leaders house and burn them alive. YET if the NA comes in the picture.....YCL will be exterminated. As for Nepal being Switzerland........LOL.......first lets have no sortage of water, gas, electricity, food, education, health and housing. then lets talk about skyscrapers, Highways, subways, trains, high technology.    ALL I SEE PRACHANDA SAYING IS " I WILL START ANOTHER BLOODY REVOLUTION IF MY DEMANDS ARE NOT MET, NOW BOOK ME A TICKET TO DISNEY LAND". and this is what all the newly appinted leaders are doing...FOREIGN COUNTRY EXCURSION with FAMILIES.......LOL....what a joke..they are the ones who criticized the king for his travels...and now without SHAME they are doing the same. Soon after the King left his throne...with out a fight......NEPAL IS BREAKING INTO A PRE PRITHIVI NARAYAN SHAH ERA....small ethnic grops demanding a seperate state.................IN A SMALL COUNTRY LIKE NEPAL???????? and these maoists lovers and those who hope maoists will make Nepal into Switzerland in 5 yrs....hope you are right...but I see Nepal being more like N korea, Cuba, or Burma Than anything else under maoists who has clearly said...when in full power Nepal will be a utopian nation, all workerclass, no private all Goverment property, Peoplework their behinds and the leaders enjoy luxury...................and anyone who opposes the maoists.........Nepal will have her first Mass Killing feilds like in Cambodia's Khymer Rouge.....Kill all educated, well off, high , middle caste and class people. AND rest of the country WORK WORK WORK.....and DIE.

I am Maoist or Communist. I am not politician. I do not believe in old Classic style communist.

 

But in the context of Nepal, Maoist is only the hope for new change and progress.

 

Panchayati (penchey) were old timer, conservative, most of them do not know what is school means, most of them do not know how to sign on the paper so they use thumbs print, 99% do not have vision-responsibility-accountability-action plans-democratic value, Panchey was villages’ mafia boss, Panchey did whatever they like to do, they were above the law. Panchey killed so many students, teachers, villagers, human rights activist, workers and anybody who protest panchayati systems. There were no single dots of democracy. Suryabahadur Thapa was the main criminal boss of pancheys national criminals.

 

Nepali congress party were 99.9% India based politicians, whatever India say they act in Nepal. That’s why Girija helped to establish Indian dhoti Madheshi party in Nepali soil and let them became Nepali citizens, Ministers, President and VP etc. In Nepali congress party, 95% were mafia gangsters, they do briberies, smuggling, trafficking, misuse law-order-rule-regulation, and they were above the law-order-rule and regulations. They were untouchable by law. Girija, Sujata and Deuba were the main bosses who protectors of NCP mafias. Nepali congress party completely dissolves and rebuilds new party for better political party, and Girija, Sujata and Deuba should not lead that new party.

 

If we deeply and thoughtfully analyze about Nepali political and governmental records. There were no hopes for new (political & governmental) change in Nepal thru any political parties of Nepal. All of parties were convicted national crimes in national crimes and corruption.

 

Truly…. Maoist party did not have any choice to do arms revolution then other. It is sad so many people died. But battle, fight, struggle, war, revolution, change, freedom, liberation can not prevail without sorrow, hardship and sacrifices.

sorry for above miss type... should be...

I am NOT Maoist or Communist. I am not politician. I do not believe in old Classic style communist.