Swasthani is a wish fulfilling goddess and she is worshipped by hindus. Hindus read swasthani for 1 month. By doing this Swasthani will forgive all the sins that people did in their life. Also swasthani will fulfill your wish. Swasthani is the goddess of wish and anyone who reads swasthani will have their wish come true.

Very Typical
First Momo and Rakshi, later to Pashupatinath,
First sex and later abortion,
First Hamburger and later Swasthani,
First kill and later condolences..

Gyane listened to this swasthani his life long too...
He has two pundits in his palace for reading it.
But it seemed like Swasthani could not help him either.

I hope Swasthani will forgive all Hamburger eaters, Budweiser Beer drinkers, Internet under age sex criminals living in USA and keep their Identity listening Swasthani.


All Nepali American should learn the value of other religions value too and be interated in a global religion. You will not have a big success here in a land of your holi cow salughters. They earn dollars working whole day for holi cow eaters and later evening listen to Swasthani to forgive all PAP from the day.

Sayami -

If I were to read what you posted on this particular thread in a vacuum, I would find myself agreeing with a lot of what you said. I am generally of a secular bent of mind and the ideas you expressed above are within the bounds of reason and reflect my own thoughts in some cases.

What drove me to butt in on the other thread was I felt you decried Hindus in America for not being Hindu enough, but you chose to make what might otherwise have been a valid point in a pretty tactless manner that one one occasion reflected very poor taste (the cow slaughter picture). I don't know what the intent behind posting that picture was - perhaps it was well-meaning and you intended to shock people out of their complacency or perhaps you were deliberately being offensive. I think your point would have been better served with a bit more tact and without the acrid tone I sensed in that thread. I also felt that forum was not the right one for expressing what I now consider, after reading your post above, to be a valid argument and something that can and should be debated.

Thats really it. I like you, as I am sure other Sajhaites do, and have always appreciated your talent in so masterfully capturing humor in picture.

I hope you will take by feedback as one of a well wisher.

:)

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Hi Captain Haddock,
Thanks for your understanding. Sorry for the cow picture. It was wrong time and wrong place. My concern is only this stone age philosophy that you are forgiven if you listen to Swasthani. Hinduism is full of this kind of crap and touchables and untouchables.
I can tolerate all religion as long as they do not pollute your mind with this kind of filthy theories. We are in 21 Century, we are able to filter this out now with our logic.

Gyane even tried with Panchabali in a Hindu temple in India and 26 Human bali in Kathmandu.
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Panchabali Puja in India.
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There is no difference between Bahuns in USA and communist leadres and cadres in Nepal.

हाएमबर्गर पनि खाए छ
कुहिरे संग लसपस गर्या छ
बड्बाइजर पनि खाए छ
चाख देखि कानसम्म
एन्टेन्ना जनै पनि बांधेकै छ
डिस्को पनि गाएकै छ
बिहान बिहान गाएत्री पनि गाएकै छ
राति राति झ्वाम यात्रा पनि गरेकै छ

र यी पापहरु सबै मेट्न
सांझ सांझ स्वस्थानी पनि सुनेकै छ।

गजब छ! अलराउन्डर
सर्बमुखी कट्टर हिन्दु नेप्र्यायकानाहरु!!!

माओको रातो झन्डा पनि बोक्याएछ। निधारमा रातो टिका पनि लगाएकै छ। मान्छे मारे मार्याइ छ। जनतालाइ ठग्याए ठगै छ। जनबादिको नारा ठोक्याएछ चन्दा मागे माग्याइ छ। सरकारमा जान खोज्याए छ। सबै हातमा पारि अझ दुख दिने बिचारमा छ।
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वा वा सायमि जी, बहुत सामयिक कुरा लेख्नु भयो । धर्म को नाम मा गरिने आडम्बरको भन्डाफोर गर्नै पर्छ । गर्ने बेला मन परी, जप्ने चाँही हरि हरि ? होइन र ?

Sayami jee, sorry to enter into this private thread. But any 'hindu' who has really read the core 'hindu' religious texts, viz. the 'vedas', 'upanishads' and 'geeta' or knows something about them, will not believe in this kind of idea.

Because the crux of 'hinduism' as per these texts is based on the theory of 'karma'. There is no question of being relieved of ones 'sins' or 'bad karma' just like that.

कर््म जस््तो गर््यो फल त्यस््तै पाउँछ । कर्मको फल न भोगी जान्दैन । चाहे यो जुनी मा अथवा अर्को जुनीमा । पूजा गरे पनी, स्वस्थानी पढे पनी, चार धाम गये पनी केही हुने वाला छैन ।

So if one has really understood the hindu philosophy, he / she won't talk about getting rid of one's sins by worshipping or going to temple or anything like that. For details you can read the Vedas, or 'taittiriya upanishad / chhandogya upanishad etc' or simply 'geeta'.

God forgiving all kinds of sinful acts is primarily a christian concept I think, where one goes for confession and asks for forgiveness. This is typically not characteristic of the core 'hindu' philosophy. You simply can't equate the 'brahminism' that is practiced today with 'hinduism'.

Animal sacrifice is primarily a 'taantrik' practice which is less common in Indian hindus and is more commonly a cultural practice of Nepal. (Dhaami / Jhankree sacrificing animals is found even in animistic / buddhist ethnic groups of Nepal). If it was a universal hindu practice, then it would have been common all over India including South India.

Regarding 'animal sacrifice' there is an interesting account in the 'Mahabhaarata' of a King who sacrificed a goat in his life time to please goddess 'durga'. In his next life (reincarnation) he was born as a 'goat' and he was killed by the 'goat' which he had sacrificed in his previous life, now born a butcher, ha ha.

So, whatever is being preached today is not true 'hinduism'. And one can't criticise 'hinduism' by just superficially observing current 'brahminic' practices. Reading 'swasthaani' as a tradition is nice, and I enjoy it. But if someone reads it feeling that his misdeeds will be forgiven, then he / she is foolish and he / she needs to brush up his / her basics about 'hindu' principles.

hey ,
and what is that about?
Christians - confession box
muslims - mecca

Dude ..if u have any brain , as u claim ur progressive...THINK ANALYTCALLY-- why ? what ? when ? how ? this thing started ...and try to explore the idea behind it ..
no body is asking u to follow blindly ...it is easy to point flaws..but interpret the meaning behind it !!it takes some brain..not as easy as making fun of other thru cartoons!!!!

GO BACK TO NEPAL
SERVE THE NEEDY ONES
SWASTANI MATA WILL APPEAR RIGHT INFRONT OF YOU TO FULFILL YOUR WISHES,
you might wonder, how does chyame knows all these things, but frankly i havenot seen swastani mata because i havenot done anything fruitful to make her happy except doing some unhealthy discussions in sajha.

Sayami -

Thanks for the clarification - good to hear your thoughts. Allow me to bring forward a couple of things going through my mind right now. I bring these points up in the spirit of open discussion and do not seek to intentionally offend anyone.

- You seem to have an expectation that brahmins live life a certain way - they should do this and don't do that. First of all, and no offense intended, but who are you, or anyone else for that matter, to have that expectation of them? Talking about moving with the times, brahmins today have long since moved past the role of priests - they are in different spheres of life. Just like the Chettris who are no longer just soldiers. Or the Newars who are no longer just traders. All three were traditional roles assigned to these groups - but each one of those groups has moved far, far away from those roles and there is nothing that forces them to become become priests, join the army or get into trade anymore.

I can't but help notice the irony where on one hand you , with good intentions perhaps, call for a "21st century" mindset, yet on the other hand, your own assumptions about Nepali society are based on an archaic mindset not very different from the one you seek to condemn. How can you reconcile such outdated assumptions in your mind with your call for modernization?

- I am not here to defend the brahmins and all their history. That's out there on the table and it is for each of us to form our own judgments. And likewise of the Chettris, the Newars, the Rais, Limbus, Gurungs, Magars, Madesis and everyone else in this country that we call home. Each one of us has a past, a present and a future in this country that is related and inter-dependent on the others. Many of us dont even fall into these categories because our parents have inter-married. But I am concerned by what I think is a very simplistic and misleading world-view, rampant over-generalization and a lack of objectivity in thought.

- The rulers of Nepal, who have happened to be hindu, have done a pretty crappy job of living the values of Hinduism. Hinduism for many of them was merely, in my opinion, a political tool to rally the hindu communities to their cause and legitimize the role of the monarchy in increasingly uncertain times. Surrounded by a secular and democratic and India and an anti-religious and communist China, it could not have escaped our leaders then that they might be next on the list for a religious purging. And they, in my opinion, acted in haste and fear. Not just with religion but with other things like the definition of nationalism, national language, the character of society etc.

- As for people who "sin" and then seek repentance - the examples you cited - I really don't have much to say. I am not religious and don't believe in heaven and hell. There are those who do and they can probably speak up on that. But I will say this: regardless of what you are brahmin, kshatriya, newar, white, black, chinese, indian, one man's morality is another man's offense. You cannot condemn someone for seeking to impose their moral codes on others, and then turn around the next second and impose your moral expectations on them. That is glaring hypocrisy in my opinion.

- As for politicians and public display of religious sentiment, I am not a big fan of that at all. I am with you there, I think quite a bit of it is driven by PR motives and if you really wanted to connect with god, you probably could do it better in the quiet of your home than in front of peering cameras and reporters. I can only hope god feels the same way about this :)

Captain Ji:

Very well said.....

Too bad, Sayami ko "GOBAR" Brain cannot think that deep...or decipher what you just said.....You can clearly see Sayami has double standards.....and a very very biased viewpoints to say the least.....Every religion has some faith that cannot be proved...Its just faith....Otherwise, why do they need Vatican and the Pope and all that.....why do they worship the Pope as if he is THE GOD.....why do they worship Sai Baba???? Why do Muslims think Mohammed is God? WHy do buddhists go to Ghumbas and pray? WHY WHY WHY??? We are all driven by FAITH......we believe in it...and we do it......

To me, seems like Sayami's grudge is with Race (Brahmins in particular)....Otherwise, let me remind you, Kathmandu has the most hindu temple in Nepal....far more than anywhere else, which is predominantly Newars.......Its just a disgrace that Sayami thinks he has a FREE PASS to say whatever his introverted mind thinks of about Hinduism.....He probably doesnot know,....Hinduism is the most Tolerant religion in the entire world.............They do not force you to convert, they do not pay you to do anything.............Unlike Christianity and Islam.........haven't we seen enough? Why are people converting to Christianity in the third world countries? Because they have money to spread around......and Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, mostly by the will of power.........

We can talk all day, but the bottomline is, any religion has its own faults....Its upto reasonable human beings to take the good, and filter the bad.......

“The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not.”
- Eric Hoffer

Sayami,
I take it as a positive sign that you began to question the traditional notions about Hinduism (or any religion that you may be interested in). While your approach in dealing with such notions may seem offensive to some, I hope you realize the sensitivity of the topic soon and take a moderate path to seek the knowledge. I was faced with similar questions few years ago. Please allow me to share my perspective about God and religion.
- religion provides easy answers to many questions (eg. is it good/bad?, is it evil?, is it moral/immoral?) ; science provides complicated answers to many questions (eg. who created the creator?, why haven’t monkeys turned into homo sapiens?)
- fear is one form of motivation that works (fear of God still works for many people)
- practice of religion was the only way of spreading education in ancient times. (should universities, colleges and schools replace the religious institutes soon)
- verses in religious scriptures are stone-marked; theories in science are subject to change

To appreciate science one has to be inquisitive, very patient and tolerant of other people’s view.


Captain saab,
“The rulers of Nepal, who have happened to be hindu, have done a pretty crappy job of living the values of Hinduism. Hinduism for many of them was merely, in my opinion, a political tool to rally the hindu communities to their cause and legitimize the role of the monarchy in increasingly uncertain times.”

I concur. I really like the way you surgically dissect the facts and the fallacies.


For those who intend to seek knowledge and participate in a healthy discussion, I have posted some videos from Dr. Richard Dawkins in the following thread:

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I am Brahmin by birth but I have rejected the caste system. It is not a system prescribed by the true scriptures of Hinduism but are just social systems made up by our ancestors. In the Indo-European invasions of South Asia, the Indo-Europeans, the Aryans, conquered the Dravidians, the original residents of this region and the "conqured" people essentially became "lower caste" and "untouchables".

Forgive me for what my ancestors have done. I cannot change what they did, but I have changed myself to reject the caste system and accept everyone as my brothers and sisters.

My opinion on Hinduism goes into the deep scriptures and the basic lessons it teaches--just like any other religion. Hinduism in particular, if you look at scriptures, states two basic beliefs: Dharma and Karma. My understanding has always been that Dharma means being religious or spiritual in one's own way and Karma is doing what one is supposed to do, and following a moral conduct. Whether it means "Thou shalt not kill" (Jewish, and Christian Commandment) or "Give alms to the poor" (Islamic Piller), all religions give the same message.

Hinduism has had it's bad run because of the Caste system and a "systemic discrimination" of lower castes. I am not proud of that part of my heritage. But in essence, the progressive Hindus like myself have rejected the caste system and we believe in the universal teachings of the scriptures.

I do not believe that if one does not believe in Swasthani goes to hell or will be smighted by her immense powers. My reasoning for why I have put Swasthani on my web site have been discussed in my web site. However, I could summarize some points for you:

-- In a family setting, knowing what is going around a child's life, or other family members' lives is very important. Reading Swasthani could enable having a family time. I have put Swasthani up to help people find time to get together and do readings. They can do any kind of reading together, or even watch a movie together, or have some kind of other "family bonding time".

-- Swasthani teaches lessons about human nature that we may ignore. For example: anger. Anger causes biochemical imbalances in one's body, and releases toxins that can injure someone physically and mentally. Anger causes stress, and Swasthani's story shows how one should not be anger. Another example is pride: pride can hurt others and your loved ones and in turn hurt you as a person.

Another thing: I am not here to convert anyone to Hinduism. You can believe in whatever you want to. I hate utmost respect for all religions. Every religion has some bad aspects to it, and no religion is perfect: because of the followers that have modified the true meanings of religions. Some may even believe that religon is a bad thing. I respect that as well, because I understand that people can get fanaticism out of it and religion can be harmful if that is the case. However, religion does give hope to people, and that strange opium of the poor and sufferers--optimism--can lead them to do great things.

All I have to say is that I am just hurt by the fact that I am being called a "beefeater" or being generalized in terms of a few Nepalese people that have changed completely after stepping on the US soil just because they are not in their country any more. Yes, I did take offense when you mock my religion--not just plain mockery, but an absolute disgraceful tendancy essentially giving us a notion that people "hate" all of Brahmins or Hindus, period.

I think I deserve an apology.

And I think everyone that I offended does too. So here is my apology: I am sorry for stating "I am not the one who sounds like an idiot", essentially calling you with bad names, Sayami. I respect your opinion. I went to a Tibetan school and I have many Buddhist friends and I have utmost respect towards Buddhism. And to me, even you are a Buddhist, you are still a brother, because, like you said, there is no other religion besides Humanism, or Global Religion.

Thanks!
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