Neil Kinnock (left) and Prachanda at the fourth Hindustan Times Leadership Summit on its second and concluding day, at the Taj Palace Hotel in New Delhi on Saturday, November 18, 2006.

More Pictures of the Submit

- http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/625_0019000100174531,6.htm

Captian_Haddock, i'm sure someone will come up with a new national anthem but thats not the real challenge, everyone agreeing to one will be more difficult (hope not impossible).

Or hey since prachanda's name is already in the current anthem, may be he would just like to omit few other words and just keep the old one and make it easier on everyone LOL

ha ha ha ... nice one, hukka nepali.

Thanks for introducing much needed levity into the subject!

Have a good one

:)

Very good point Hi_nanu!

when i read about prachanda talking about ISI, i was just thinking to myself is he really that stupid?? i mean gimme a break, it was just as stupid if not more as king importing ammo from china and trying to play that card. i think prachanda really truly genuinely believes he has india played anyway he want but probably is completely ignorant to the possibility of him being played for india's cause.

P.S. i wouldn't argue on if prachanda or girija or anyone else speaking hindi is acceptable or not because it depends on your perception. i for one think, if you are an official representative of a nation in an international arena you owe this much respect to everyone you are representing either by speaking in your national or international language. now my perception probably doesn't even apply to prachanda here or others in such scenario...so that's for another time. But those of you who watch free Nepal 1 tv's daily news broadcast has prachanda's footage of addressing the media in hindi for over 5 minutes (was kinda funny how Nepal 1 usually makes prachanda the No.1 headline news even before girija or any other news).

Hukka Nepali -

I don't mean to pick on you but you are the only one, besides Hi Nanu perhaps, who is so much as making an effort to rationalize things. Even though I disagree with a lot of your observations, I want to put my points across in the spirit of free and open conversation between two Nepalese who love their country but see things differently.


" when i read about prachanda talking about ISI, i was just thinking to myself is he really that stupid?? i mean gimme a break, it was just as stupid if not more as king importing ammo from china and trying to play that card. i think prachanda really truly genuinely believes he has india played anyway he want but probably is completely ignorant to the possibility of him being played for india's cause."

I am intrigued by this comment as well. I suspect he is just trying to be in their good books. Build credibility, gain trust - that sort of thing. Also maybe a bit of nationalist bravado after landing at TIA - a message to folks back home that he hasn't been softened up by India's corrupt, wine-sipping, darjeeling-tea-drinking , capitalist ruling class.

"i for one think, if you are an official representative of a nation in an international arena you owe this much respect to everyone you are representing either by speaking in your national or international language."

We are going to have to disagree on that one. If he had been speaking Chinese in Beijing, or Tibetan in Lhasa, he would probably have been applauded for trying to charm his guests. In my opinion, this whole thing of "official language" is a thinly veiled hatred of India and anything Indian and does not have a whole lot of merit to it. Nobody wants to piss their hosts and I don't think Prachanda did either.

I know Prachanda is just another Girija, Mahadev, and Deuba, waiting to grab power and sell Nepal to Inda. There is no doubt about that because as one can clearly see from the event folding up recently. For one thing the amount of ammunition and guns the moists have in their possion where did they get it from? They admit that ISI wanted to help them but did not take their help, they admit they dont have any Chinese help, US and other western countries have them in their terrorist list, so I ask everyone where did they get their weapon from? If they say Nepali Army then they would have defeated Nepali army by now, with the amount of weapon they have.

Second Prachanda did not go to India to represent Nepal or Nepalese because who choose for him to go to that summit, it was not Nepalese or Nepal but instead it was India. India chose him, because Prachand leaded Nepal to the path that India wanted but I bet even Prachanda does not know that. (This path is the disintegration of Nepal as we will see in next couple of years.)

As far as his medium of speaking goes I am not surprised, because he is just there to please the Indian leaders so he lead in Nepal soon. It goes same for his comment about ISI as one can clearly see.

Here is the thing Captain Haddock bro, if he was traveling to different country then he could speak little bit of that language, and not fluently. And because, as Hukka Nepali bro said, he tried to represent Nepal and spoke in Hindi to national and interenational media tell me what an international person who never heard of Nepal would remember, him being Indian (which everyone knows), or him being Nepali (which only handful of country knows that exists).

My last comment is those who think there is going to be a New Nepal, I really don't see that heppening and will never happen, but there is a New Nepal map that would be displayed around the world soon. This is the period for Nepalese around the globe to wait and see what unfolds.

Ne23pe -

I have the utmost respect for how much you are concerned about your country but I think you are even more off-base that Hukka Nepali.

"I know Prachanda is just another Girija, Mahadev, and Deuba, waiting to grab power and sell Nepal to Inda."

You have closed out any opportunity to a sensible discussion by that statement. Sell the country? No offense, but grow up!

" Second Prachanda did not go to India to represent Nepal or Nepalese because who choose for him to go to that summit, it was not Nepalese or Nepal but instead it was India. India chose him, because Prachand leaded Nepal to the path that India wanted but I bet even Prachanda does not know that"

The Hindustan Times invited him. For Christ's sake, this was a global summit and not a bilateral Indo-Nepal meeting.

" As far as his medium of speaking goes I am not surprised, because he is just there to please the Indian leaders so he lead in Nepal soon. It goes same for his comment about ISI as one can clearly see. "

I agree.

" Here is the thing Captain Haddock bro, if he was traveling to different country then he could speak little bit of that language, and not fluently."

But what if he knows the language? Why not speak it? Especially given that is command of spoken English does not seem to be that good. What is more important: the message or the medium?

" And because, as Hukka Nepali bro said, he tried to represent Nepal and spoke in Hindi to national and interenational media tell me what an international person who never heard of Nepal would remember, him being Indian (which everyone knows), or him being Nepali (which only handful of country knows that exists). "

You've got to be kidding. That person you talk about must have horrible memory if not poor intelligence. How does speaking in Nepali to the press at a HT summit in Delhi make Nepal's name famous? They wouldn't understand what he was saying, for crying out loud! How many people in the world even heard what he said? And how on earth does everyone know he is Indian? Dude, you are losing me

Another interesting thing I noticed about Prachanda is that he removed India from his expansionist or reactionary force list without any fuss but still has US on the list. How can he remove India from his list when India is encroaching our border night and day, and going against the sovergnity of our country, where as US is just trying to inforce its principal of democracy, in a negative way.

Prachanda was also quick to respond about not having any link with China or go against India and favoring China. China has not adopted any double standard policy against Nepal nor has it encroached any border of Nepal once we settled our border disputes. One can guess that Prachanda is just another Nepali who came to power with a help of India and will sell Nepal to India.

This is all a game and Nepal will alway loose, because we Nepalese can never seem to agree on things that matters to us the most, our country and we will pay the price of this soon.

Hi Captain, i always appreciate candid conversations here with you and anyone else who are rationale in expressing their thoughts, ideas, concerns, or anything else they want to share. and yes we do see things a bit differently but there is no doubt in my mind about your intentions as a concern citizen.

now the reason i thought it was utterly stupid for prachanda to eve comment on ISI was did he believe india was goingl be impressed with him for his anti-ISI sentiment? considering how anti-india and anti-indian imperialism he was even a few months ago, this sudden change in his stance is just so lame. india has enough of its agents in nepal to have anything go unnoticed such as maoists taking assistance from ISI...so don't why prachanda felt the need to come clean becuase i don't see he could have pulled off in the first place if he had choose to do so anyways.

now about the language....like i said it is all in your personal perception. it is very admirable to know your view point in this subject but i don't think i need to elaborate anymore on mine.

well you take it easy too and lets keep the spirit alive...if not here and on this topic i'm sure we'll bump somewhere else on another topic :-D

"Another interesting thing I noticed about Prachanda is that he removed India from his expansionist or reactionary force list without any fuss but still has US on the list. How can he remove India from his list when India is encroaching our border night and day, and going against the sovergnity of our country, where as US is just trying to inforce its principal of democracy, in a negative way. "

I think he grew up. That's more than what can be said of you going by your statements. Border issues are bound to arise when you have an open border than runs across one of the most populated areas on the planet. They have been happening for over 200 years and we have been pretty good at keeping our territory intact for the most part. Full credit to those in power - King, Panchas, NC, UML - barring a few exceptions, they've all done a good job settling issue amicably with India.

"One can guess that Prachanda is just another Nepali who came to power with a help of India and will sell Nepal to India. "

I dont agree but by your logic who are the others? If I can guess, Girija, Madhav Nepal and how about Gyanendra?

" This is all a game and Nepal will alway loose, because we Nepalese can never seem to agree on things that matters to us the most, our country and we will pay the price of this soon."

Says who? Historical enemies have come together in Nepal for the greater good of the country time and again. This country has seen reconciliation between sworn enemies - Congress and King, Communists and King, Congress and Communists and now Congress and Maoists. Show me some other places in the world where bitter enemies have come together in this way for national good. This country is stronger than some might be willing to believe.

Hukka Nepali -

Thanks. You have a good one too, bud.

To the motherland!

:)

ne23pe,
"One can guess that Prachanda is just another Nepali who came to power with a help of India and will sell Nepal to India."

this just your sole view of prachanda, which sounds very much irrational to people who actually do some research instead of trusting you.

"This is all a game and Nepal will alway loose, because we Nepalese can never seem to agree on things that matters to us the most, our country and we will pay the price of this soon."

How do you know this is a game? and nepal will always lose? hello! are you some kind of fortune teller? And it is not necessary for people to agree on the same thing! and that's what democracy is for. How do you know you are right? you have not even given any justification for your opinions. It's just your hate towards prachanda and pessimism that's crying out loud.

After hearing what Prachanda had to say, all I could draw out of it is that he may be a great revolutionist, but he is not a diplomat at all. I respect him having represented Nepal in that conference, but that was the dumbest thing he did to mention ISI, Dawood Ibrahim and King to be acting together against India. I don't know what he will get out of it, but I can surely see him digging his own grave. If he wants to do politics, he needs to read "DIPLOMACY FOR DUMMIES".

I wish he won't be another mirza dilsad beg.

Sajhauser did I say that everyone should believe what I should. I was expressing my opinion and no one elses. As far as my justification goes tell me Sajhauser what is your justification for supporting them or even thinking they will do any good.

For my part I believed they killed 13,000 Nepali, rendered more then 300,000 people homeless, made flesh trading through Nepal much easier since everyone wants to leave the conflicted effected area and leave the country for better life, giving children guns instead of books, divide country based on race and ethnicity, and the list continues.

Take a look at the last picture from this link and some in between about the people who had to fled Maoists attrocity:

Some maoist victim are living in the slum of India because they would be killed if they go back homw or their property were taken by maoists.

http://www.rajeshkc.com/phalano/?p=595#more-595

Tell me Sajhauser how many countries do you know who treat their people so nicely. These are our future generation who are being chased away from our country into the foreign land. Look at the Nepalese in Middle East where they work as cheap labor because they cant plough on their own field back home.
The rate at which Nepalase are living the country, the next 10 to 12 years you will be just visiting India.
About 25,000 people leaving the country every 2 months, about 10,000 Nepali girl being trafficed to Indian brothel every year, Nepali children leaving the country to work in circus, to working as a domestic helper, to being porter in Kashimere and Shimla, and again the list goes on.

Damn! with such patriotic feeling of Maoists toward their own country men how can I be so ungreatful.

Ok Sajhauser give your justification for supporting them.

Again guys , I would say "Dominance Theory". Britain Ruled the world, made english language widely use.. so it because international language. K garne Gorkhali le kehi garna sakena.... nepali language lai international language banauna ko laagi... !!!

Hindi is understood by many people in nepal ... K garne nepali le hindi bolne lai nepali sikauna sakena !! Jaslai je sajilo lagchha ani jaha jasle jasari bujhchha tyahi nai language use garnu upayukta hunchha...

INTERNATIONAL language re yarr... k ko international ... ! japanese le bujchha international language english ? ( I AM TALKING ABOUT MOST OF THE POPULATION)...

So .. jasle dominant garyo tyahi raja ho yo sansar ma ... it is natural theory .. Darwin le lekhisakeko chha yo kura uhile nai .. SURPRISE HUNU PARNE KARAN KEHI CHHAINA !!

Vas I agree with you! Its really childish to mention ISI, connection of Daood with KG etc blablabla...If he wants to extend gratitude to India for their support, that's fine but he can do so without provoking Pakistan. What is the reason of a such a haste to prove himself a pro-Indian?

While in the past, he never tired of charging UML and NC leaders of being pro-Indian or Indian agent, now Prachana leads all in this race. Since the issue of Indian colonism and extensionism is not there any more, let's wait for the day when he beats Sher Bahadur to speak favoring American Imperialism

"One can guess that Prachanda is just another Nepali who came to power with a help of India and will sell Nepal to India."

Do you know why I have made the statement above because now that the Maoist are about to join the government they needed Indias blessing for getting there and the cover was the summit. Our older leaders go to India for doctors visit and check up and Prachanda goes there for summit, otherwise how else would you explain the peace treaty not signed and won't be signed until Prachanda returns.

Prachanda and his goonies are the biggest mofwkers ever on the face of the earth. Watching and reading their interviews just pisses me off. They are full of shit load of fwk. They rationalize all the bad deeds they have done by convienently blaming it on someone else. For instance, watch this interview clip of one of the nimrods of the central committee member of the maoists: http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2006/others/video_interview/video_interview_nov18.php.

As far as India is concerned - I really don't know wot their actual position is. They have claimed in the past that they have always been against the violence and maoists. But, if dats really true how come they did'nt do anything to apprehend Prachanda- the biggest SOB when he had been living in Delhi-their capital??? (Prachanda has openely stated that he was living his underground life in Delhi). My best guess is India (atleast its leaders) has been supporting the insurgency and backstabbing the nepalese people all along. Fwk those mofwkers too!!!

The political party and the so called revolutionary maoists have always blamed the king for all the misfortune faced by the country. But did'nt the king atleast try? he said he would hold elections. but everyone boycotted it. wot was he suppose to do? if the parties thot that the elections would be unfair why did'nt they agree on a third party such as the UN monitoring the elections when the king proposed dat.

The stupid mwfwkers also say that the king was regressive and had commited crimes against humanity during his rule and should be punished accordingly. If he had been regressive why would he have relinquished power especially when he commanded such a loyal armed force.

Isn't prachanda the one who should be punished. After all he is the one who is responsible for the slaying of 13000 ppl in over a decade (let's not forget-many of them burtally).

I know the king has made mistakes but it's nothing when compared to the mistakes made by the so called responsible leaders. He tried his best. wot could he do when he was'nt even given a chance?? I truly respect him and the instituion of monarchy for its effort. Long live the king and long live Nepal!!

and almost forgot, abt the issue of leaders talking in hindi-yeah it sucks!!! if they had any pride wotsoever in their nationality or respect for they ocuntry they'd either speak in nepali itself or speak in some international language.

Here we go again. So much for a rational conversation. What great reasoning!

Something,

"My best guess is India (atleast its leaders) has been supporting the insurgency and backstabbing the nepalese people all along."

i don't think there is any denying in india's support to the maoists. if that wasn't backstabbing the nepali people than india sure knows and wants whats better for nepal than nepalis themselves. so we should thank india for their support in bringing this greatest revolution in the history of our nation? but then again, i'm trying to figure out what has this revolution brought at the expense of so many innocent lives? maoists so called revloution started 10 - 12 years ago, during the very early days of multi party democracy and constitutional monarchy (which is what the people wanted at the time) this aspired changed by the people wasn't even given a fair chance. now after thousands of lives and successful revolution, what will we have? we will still have multi party democracy minus the constitutional monarchy. now my question here is was the revolution for what it was, worth it so many lives and so much destruction of the nation just to minus the constitutional monarchy (most probably being replaced with ceremonial). i do not consider monarchy to be any active power player during then late king Birendra era nor for much of Gyanendra's early ear. if you all remember the dead lock situation of the country at the time when Gyanendra took absolute power (friction within political parties, between political parties, from UML to RPP to NC-D keep on forming incompetent collation governments one after another, and on top of all these soap opera the maoists insurgency).

my point here is other than Gyanendra's move to take absolute power (although i would argue there wasn't much else option available at the time) there isn't any other other evidence that the instituation of monarchy was going get on the way of multi party democracy. so whatever the maoists are claiming they have accomplished with their revolution is simply not worth it! subsctracting constitutional monarchy from multi party democracy was not worth 14,000 + innocent lives, the social awareness and equality maoists claim they have brought was not worth 14,000 + innocent lives, and whatever else they are claiming they will bring in the near future (just from analyzing their actions as of late i can tell) it wouldn't have been worth so much death and destruction to our beautiful motherland.

so, all these whatever maoists are claiming they have acheived and anything else they are claiming they will achieved, if given the needed time would have been very much achievable with multi party democracy brought by the popular movement of 1990....well except minus the 14,000 + innocent lives and destruction that has pushed us 50 years back.