Neil Kinnock (left) and Prachanda at the fourth Hindustan Times Leadership Summit on its second and concluding day, at the Taj Palace Hotel in New Delhi on Saturday, November 18, 2006.

More Pictures of the Submit

- http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/625_0019000100174531,6.htm

ne23pe,
"One can guess that Prachanda is just another Nepali who came to power with a help of India and will sell Nepal to India."

this just your sole view of prachanda, which sounds very much irrational to people who actually do some research instead of trusting you.

"This is all a game and Nepal will alway loose, because we Nepalese can never seem to agree on things that matters to us the most, our country and we will pay the price of this soon."

How do you know this is a game? and nepal will always lose? hello! are you some kind of fortune teller? And it is not necessary for people to agree on the same thing! and that's what democracy is for. How do you know you are right? you have not even given any justification for your opinions. It's just your hate towards prachanda and pessimism that's crying out loud.

After hearing what Prachanda had to say, all I could draw out of it is that he may be a great revolutionist, but he is not a diplomat at all. I respect him having represented Nepal in that conference, but that was the dumbest thing he did to mention ISI, Dawood Ibrahim and King to be acting together against India. I don't know what he will get out of it, but I can surely see him digging his own grave. If he wants to do politics, he needs to read "DIPLOMACY FOR DUMMIES".

I wish he won't be another mirza dilsad beg.

Sajhauser did I say that everyone should believe what I should. I was expressing my opinion and no one elses. As far as my justification goes tell me Sajhauser what is your justification for supporting them or even thinking they will do any good.

For my part I believed they killed 13,000 Nepali, rendered more then 300,000 people homeless, made flesh trading through Nepal much easier since everyone wants to leave the conflicted effected area and leave the country for better life, giving children guns instead of books, divide country based on race and ethnicity, and the list continues.

Take a look at the last picture from this link and some in between about the people who had to fled Maoists attrocity:

Some maoist victim are living in the slum of India because they would be killed if they go back homw or their property were taken by maoists.

http://www.rajeshkc.com/phalano/?p=595#more-595

Tell me Sajhauser how many countries do you know who treat their people so nicely. These are our future generation who are being chased away from our country into the foreign land. Look at the Nepalese in Middle East where they work as cheap labor because they cant plough on their own field back home.
The rate at which Nepalase are living the country, the next 10 to 12 years you will be just visiting India.
About 25,000 people leaving the country every 2 months, about 10,000 Nepali girl being trafficed to Indian brothel every year, Nepali children leaving the country to work in circus, to working as a domestic helper, to being porter in Kashimere and Shimla, and again the list goes on.

Damn! with such patriotic feeling of Maoists toward their own country men how can I be so ungreatful.

Ok Sajhauser give your justification for supporting them.

Again guys , I would say "Dominance Theory". Britain Ruled the world, made english language widely use.. so it because international language. K garne Gorkhali le kehi garna sakena.... nepali language lai international language banauna ko laagi... !!!

Hindi is understood by many people in nepal ... K garne nepali le hindi bolne lai nepali sikauna sakena !! Jaslai je sajilo lagchha ani jaha jasle jasari bujhchha tyahi nai language use garnu upayukta hunchha...

INTERNATIONAL language re yarr... k ko international ... ! japanese le bujchha international language english ? ( I AM TALKING ABOUT MOST OF THE POPULATION)...

So .. jasle dominant garyo tyahi raja ho yo sansar ma ... it is natural theory .. Darwin le lekhisakeko chha yo kura uhile nai .. SURPRISE HUNU PARNE KARAN KEHI CHHAINA !!

Vas I agree with you! Its really childish to mention ISI, connection of Daood with KG etc blablabla...If he wants to extend gratitude to India for their support, that's fine but he can do so without provoking Pakistan. What is the reason of a such a haste to prove himself a pro-Indian?

While in the past, he never tired of charging UML and NC leaders of being pro-Indian or Indian agent, now Prachana leads all in this race. Since the issue of Indian colonism and extensionism is not there any more, let's wait for the day when he beats Sher Bahadur to speak favoring American Imperialism

"One can guess that Prachanda is just another Nepali who came to power with a help of India and will sell Nepal to India."

Do you know why I have made the statement above because now that the Maoist are about to join the government they needed Indias blessing for getting there and the cover was the summit. Our older leaders go to India for doctors visit and check up and Prachanda goes there for summit, otherwise how else would you explain the peace treaty not signed and won't be signed until Prachanda returns.

Prachanda and his goonies are the biggest mofwkers ever on the face of the earth. Watching and reading their interviews just pisses me off. They are full of shit load of fwk. They rationalize all the bad deeds they have done by convienently blaming it on someone else. For instance, watch this interview clip of one of the nimrods of the central committee member of the maoists: http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2006/others/video_interview/video_interview_nov18.php.

As far as India is concerned - I really don't know wot their actual position is. They have claimed in the past that they have always been against the violence and maoists. But, if dats really true how come they did'nt do anything to apprehend Prachanda- the biggest SOB when he had been living in Delhi-their capital??? (Prachanda has openely stated that he was living his underground life in Delhi). My best guess is India (atleast its leaders) has been supporting the insurgency and backstabbing the nepalese people all along. Fwk those mofwkers too!!!

The political party and the so called revolutionary maoists have always blamed the king for all the misfortune faced by the country. But did'nt the king atleast try? he said he would hold elections. but everyone boycotted it. wot was he suppose to do? if the parties thot that the elections would be unfair why did'nt they agree on a third party such as the UN monitoring the elections when the king proposed dat.

The stupid mwfwkers also say that the king was regressive and had commited crimes against humanity during his rule and should be punished accordingly. If he had been regressive why would he have relinquished power especially when he commanded such a loyal armed force.

Isn't prachanda the one who should be punished. After all he is the one who is responsible for the slaying of 13000 ppl in over a decade (let's not forget-many of them burtally).

I know the king has made mistakes but it's nothing when compared to the mistakes made by the so called responsible leaders. He tried his best. wot could he do when he was'nt even given a chance?? I truly respect him and the instituion of monarchy for its effort. Long live the king and long live Nepal!!

and almost forgot, abt the issue of leaders talking in hindi-yeah it sucks!!! if they had any pride wotsoever in their nationality or respect for they ocuntry they'd either speak in nepali itself or speak in some international language.

Here we go again. So much for a rational conversation. What great reasoning!

Something,

"My best guess is India (atleast its leaders) has been supporting the insurgency and backstabbing the nepalese people all along."

i don't think there is any denying in india's support to the maoists. if that wasn't backstabbing the nepali people than india sure knows and wants whats better for nepal than nepalis themselves. so we should thank india for their support in bringing this greatest revolution in the history of our nation? but then again, i'm trying to figure out what has this revolution brought at the expense of so many innocent lives? maoists so called revloution started 10 - 12 years ago, during the very early days of multi party democracy and constitutional monarchy (which is what the people wanted at the time) this aspired changed by the people wasn't even given a fair chance. now after thousands of lives and successful revolution, what will we have? we will still have multi party democracy minus the constitutional monarchy. now my question here is was the revolution for what it was, worth it so many lives and so much destruction of the nation just to minus the constitutional monarchy (most probably being replaced with ceremonial). i do not consider monarchy to be any active power player during then late king Birendra era nor for much of Gyanendra's early ear. if you all remember the dead lock situation of the country at the time when Gyanendra took absolute power (friction within political parties, between political parties, from UML to RPP to NC-D keep on forming incompetent collation governments one after another, and on top of all these soap opera the maoists insurgency).

my point here is other than Gyanendra's move to take absolute power (although i would argue there wasn't much else option available at the time) there isn't any other other evidence that the instituation of monarchy was going get on the way of multi party democracy. so whatever the maoists are claiming they have accomplished with their revolution is simply not worth it! subsctracting constitutional monarchy from multi party democracy was not worth 14,000 + innocent lives, the social awareness and equality maoists claim they have brought was not worth 14,000 + innocent lives, and whatever else they are claiming they will bring in the near future (just from analyzing their actions as of late i can tell) it wouldn't have been worth so much death and destruction to our beautiful motherland.

so, all these whatever maoists are claiming they have acheived and anything else they are claiming they will achieved, if given the needed time would have been very much achievable with multi party democracy brought by the popular movement of 1990....well except minus the 14,000 + innocent lives and destruction that has pushed us 50 years back.

I agree the Maoists movement was not worth 15,000 lives.

But Monarchy is Nepal, as per current trends, is terminally ill, and some would argue dead for all intents and purposes. Whether I wish it to or not. I find it hard to beleive we are still trying to cover up for the King. The guy screwed up big time - even many of his supporters admit it. And unlike the parties, who screwed up too, he doesn't have the mass base or appeal, or the political power now, to atone for his sins. And aplogetic arguments like these hardly bolster the case for keeping the King. I would hope if people truly beleived the Monarchy should be retained, they woul come up with better reasons.

10 M-17s, AND 10 PILOTS, WE CAN FINISH ALL THE TERRORISTS LIKE BABU AND PRACHU, WITHIN FEW HOURS.

That approach was already tried - it didn't work. I am not Prachanda biggest fan myself but that guy is here to stay. I'd rather thrash him at the polls because that's more likley to work.

1) "This is all a game and Nepal will always loose, because we Nepalese can never seem to agree on things that matters to us the most, our country and we will pay the price of this soon."

Captain Haddock the reason I said this is because no matter who comes to power in Nepal they have to get an approval from India before doing so, how else will Nepal survive and which Nepali has the guts to go against Indian Policy no one, and that includes even Prachanda.

"This is all a game and Nepal will always loose, because we Nepalese can never seem to agree on things that matters to us the most, our country and we will pay the price of this soon."

"Says who? Historical enemies have come together in Nepal for the greater good of the country time and again. This country has seen reconciliation between sworn enemies - Congress and King, Communists and King, Congress and Communists and now Congress and Maoists. Show me some other places in the world where bitter enemies have come together in this way for national good. This country is stronger than some might be willing to believe."

The point I like to make to your statement is we have alway been fighting among ourselves and not among anything worthy. We see enimies within our boundry but not the ones who are playing us among our own people. Remember all these leaders who fought king and any other enemies started their resistance from India and nowhere else. Tell me how come we never got that kind of resistance or rebellion when India took our Kalapani. The same Congress, UML, Communist, and others were in power tell me how they united to get our land back. We were played and we will always be a puppet of India and others whether we like it or not, and thats what I mean when I say that Nepal will always loose.

"One can guess that Prachanda is just another Nepali who came to power with a help of India and will sell Nepal to India."

"I dont agree but by your logic who are the others? If I can guess, Girija, Madhav Nepal and how about Gyanendra?"

Girija, Madhav Nepal, Deuba or any other Nepali has nothing to loose by selling out the country as you can see from people who do not give a rats ass about the country but Gyanendra is a king as long as there is a Kingdom for him. Thats the diffference.

ne23pe -

You love your country, I can tell. I do too so I can understand the feeling. But there is a difference between your love and mine. To me loving Nepal is not about hating India. Tell me I am wrong and why but your entire judgement of politics, based on what I have read so , appears to be clouded by this hatred and paranoia about India.

"Captain Haddock the reason I said this is because no matter who comes to power in Nepal they have to get an approval from India before doing so, how else will Nepal survive and which Nepali has the guts to go against Indian Policy no one, and that includes even Prachanda. "

You make is sound like "going against Indian policy" is something every Nepali politician must do. Why? In politics, you don't oppose just for the sake of opposing. If you do that, it lands you in the dog house and no one wants to be there. Successfull politics is ultimately about pragmatism.

"The point I like to make to your statement is we have alway been fighting among ourselves and not among anything worthy. We see enimies within our boundry but not the ones who are playing us among our own people."


I disagree. Most people in Nepal are not big fans of India and will stand up for their country. Of course a struggling society will talk about different things and often fight about it. Why should that be seen as a sign of weakenss? On the contrary it is a sign of strength - people are concerned about their lives, communities and country and are raising their voices about it. Some times s*h*it happens, sometimes you screw up, but as recent history has shown, in the end, we as a society have the political maturity to patch up for the larger interests of the nation.

>"Remember all these leaders who fought king and any other enemies started their resistance from India and nowhere else. Tell me how come we never got that kind of resistance or rebellion when India took our Kalapani. The same Congress, UML, Communist, and others were in power tell me how they united to get our land back. We were played and we will always be a puppet of India and others whether we like it or not, and thats what I mean when I say that Nepal will always loose. "

You are making it sound like all politicians are traitors who want to surrender the country to India and the King is the great saviour who can deliver us from it all. Besides being childish, the facts don't bear out to support such an argument. The Monarchy has historically compromised a lot with India too. 1950, 1965 and throughout the times. When the King compromises, it is seen as pragmatic diplomacy, but when the parties do the same thing, why is it a sell-out? That is sheer hypocrisy.

"Girija, Madhav Nepal, Deuba or any other Nepali has nothing to loose by selling out the country as you can see from people who do not give a rats ass about the country but Gyanendra is a king as long as there is a Kingdom for him. Thats the diffference. "

How about they too lose their country? Girija Koirala or Madhav Nepal did not join politics to sell their country. Nobody in their right minds would so and I hope you can agree that both these guys maybe a lot of things, but lunatic is not one of them. Your reasoning is utterly conspiratorial - by the same token, the King has the most property to loose if the country gets over taken - so he should be the one compromising with India to sell the country to save his property? Makes senses? Neither does your logic.

You are right Captain Haddock every reason I made is illogical because its about corrupt leaders, and against the maoist, and last but not least because its against India. I guess I am fresh out of logics tell me what you want to hear that India is one of the best neighbors to have, maoist leader Prachanda can be one of the best leader in our country, and our leaders can change when given a second chance.

I really did not see your logic either.

Thats not what I said. I'd suggest you go back and read again - both this and other threads I have posted to. I don't think my point is too hard to understand - you just need to put aside your hatred of the political parties and India and look at things objectively. Maybe then it might make some sense. I am not being overly optimistic but the picture is not all the bleak either.

What the fawk is that mofo Pushpe doing at a leadership conference anyway? From what I understand, the conference was about discussing ways to "make India a global superpower." I just find that theme hilarious - as if being a superpower is a goal in it of itself. A topic like "increasing regional cooperation" or "empowering the poor of india" would have been more meaningful. Making a country a "superpower" has to do with competition and doing "better than others." hardly surprising - given the attitude of the indians I have met... Anway, what i want to know is what is that mofo pushpe doing there anyways? What the fawk does he know about economic growth, global trade and competition? Makes me feel ashamed to see our country represented by dumbnuts like these.

“For my part I believed they killed 13,000 Nepali, rendered more then 300,000 people homeless, made flesh trading through Nepal much easier since everyone wants to leave the conflicted effected area and leave the country for better life, giving children guns instead of books, divide country based on race and ethnicity, and the list continues.”

Ya ya go read history facts on who killed how many people, but not the one you read when you were grade 6/7 where the first page started with prithivi narayan shah and ended with birendra.

And ne23pe, for which statement should I give justification? I haven’t even given my opinion towards Maoists, gyanendra or any other politicians in this thread. I was only analyzing the statements you made. If you need my justification for the support of maoists, then you are free to dig up several previous threads in which I’ve given justification.

I might sound like a fanatic of the king-but trust me, i'm not. the only reason i'm speaking for him is bcoz given the choices his far more better. in the past 10-12 yrs, he atleast tried sincerely to resolve the problem and all he got in return was hatred for doing so with the the false propoganda spread among the ppl of the country-thanks to our irresponsible leaders and our biased press.

it is good to be optimistic but again at the same time one has to be realistic too. some of us in this thread seem to be overly protective abt the selfvested maoist leadership and india. even if we forget for a moment the fact dat they have taken thousands of lives and displaced 300000 ppl, how can we even start trusting them (maoist) when they say dat even the verdict of the ppl is unacceptable to them (i'm referring to their stance abt monarchy here). they have made it clear dat even if thru referendum the ppl went for monarchy they would be against it. isn't dat an example of being selfvested??

india and its leaders wishing for the best for nepal. dats a load of crap too.......wot neighbor harbors a internationally recognized and tagged terroist (i'm referring to prachanda the last mofwker)who has been issued a redcorner notice?

as for the political parties, still don't think they're true to the ppl. they have already started squabbling abt issues to the primeminstership during the interim govt. i don't think dat says much abt their being responsible towards ppl.